An Alternate Proposal

[web-ed]

You know, it's an odd thing about this week's update, Phil, but you have here chronicled the most critical moment in the M/F dynamic - when the female knows she's going to have to submit to the male - and at this point, it's all over but the shouting - er, I mean spanking. Those "butterflies in the stomach" that every woman experiences are based on the fact that when a man acts like a man, a woman knows she's going to submit to him. The submission will be of great value to Natalie even though it appears she hasn't fantasized about being spanked in the past (some people "learn" to get into spanking in adulthood, while others fantasized about it from an early age - an important distinction I'll get into another day). She will be a happier and more complete woman once she learns how to surrender, which she surely will once her bottom gets red enough !

[overbarrel49]

You know, it's an odd thing about this week's update, Phil, but you have here chronicled the most critical moment in the M/F dynamic - when the female knows she's going to have to submit to the male - and at this point, it's all over but the shouting - er, I mean spanking.

hi web-ed,

i found this comment to be particularly pleasing since what you have put into words is exactly what i was trying to depict with this pic .

Those "butterflies in the stomach" that every woman experiences are based on the fact that when a man acts like a man, a woman knows she's going to submit to him.

i agree although i don't think that Natalie has yet realized that he is doing "exactly" what she was hoping for .........probably too busy trying to sort through a flood of emotions such as disbelief, dread and anticipation .

The submission will be of great value to Natalie even though it appears she hasn't fantasized about being spanked in the past (some people "learn" to get into spanking in adulthood, while others fantasized about it from an early age - an important distinction I'll get into another day). She will be a happier and more complete woman once she learns how to surrender, which she surely will once her bottom gets red enough !

she does wish to submit to him, at least at times, but hasn't even thought about spanking till right now. i don't think she's actually connected the 2 at this point but i have confidence she will before it's all over ..........and you're right.......i have no doubt that she will be happier . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

hi everyone,

hey! it seems our potential spanker, Mark, might be more experienced than was first apparent. he seems to have found a way to ensure Natalie's cooperation . as for Natalie, it seems to be the second surprise for her . perhaps she hasn't yet quite realized just what's going to happen here . i hope you enjoy it. phil

[hugob00m]

The ultimatum: She either takes off her jeans, or he'll use the paddle... Considering the way most of your stories go, I won't be surprised if she takes off her jeans and he still uses the paddle. But even if that happens, I'm hoping I get to see him land a few swats with his hand!

I enjoy reading Natalie's thoughts here. She's dreading it, because of the memory of childhood spankings, but she loves Mark, and has been secretly longing for him to "take charge". Apparently, she never considered that, if he really does take charge, he may require her to do some things she's reluctant to do... and he may do some things she wouldn't approve of... But if he's truly in charge, then he has to make those decisions, not her!

And she thinks that... maybe... he might get her into position and be so distracted by the view that he'll think twice about giving her a serious punishment. Well-l-l-l... I suppose... MAYBE... sometimes that could happen, but I don't think that's what's going to happen this time. Heh heh!

I'm hoping that, in next week's panel, you'll finally show Natalie facing AWAY from the audience, giving us the first glimpse of her curvaceous derriere as she slowly, hesitantly, reluctantly lowers her jeans in preparation for the inevitable "punishment" she's about to get from her longsuffering boyfriend. Deep down inside, she must know that she's earned what she's about to get!

[overbarrel49]

The ultimatum: She either takes off her jeans, or he'll use the paddle... Considering the way most of your stories go, I won't be surprised if she takes off her jeans and he still uses the paddle. But even if that happens, I'm hoping I get to see him land a few swats with his hand!

hi Boom,

it does seem like a good way for Mark to solicit cooperation from her . you seem suspicious that she'll still get paddled even after taking her jeans off........you obviously know my work well . there will be hand spanking .

I enjoy reading Natalie's thoughts here. She's dreading it, because of the memory of childhood spankings, but she loves Mark, and has been secretly longing for him to "take charge". Apparently, she never considered that, if he really does take charge, he may require her to do some things she's reluctant to do... and he may do some things she wouldn't approve of... But if he's truly in charge, then he has to make those decisions, not her!

i'm glad you enjoyed her thoughts . i put a lot of work in on those and changed every pic several times before i was satisfied with them. i agree with your analysis. i think there are several things she hasn't considered about him taking charge .

And she thinks that... maybe... he might get her into position and be so distracted by the view that he'll think twice about giving her a serious punishment. Well-l-l-l... I suppose... MAYBE... sometimes that could happen, but I don't think that's what's going to happen this time. Heh heh!

i think she's just grasping at straws here........that's just the only hope she had . that could explain why those butterflies are still so active .

I'm hoping that, in next week's panel, you'll finally show Natalie facing AWAY from the audience, giving us the first glimpse of her curvaceous derriere as she slowly, hesitantly, reluctantly lowers her jeans in preparation for the inevitable "punishment" she's about to get from her longsuffering boyfriend. Deep down inside, she must know that she's earned what she's about to get!

sorry but it will be a couple more pics before you get a close look at her bottom as i will be concentrating on her expressions for a while yet. fear not though, you will plenty of looks at her enticing bottom before we're done . thanks, phil

[web-ed]

I love the ultimatum here ("take off your jeans or I use the paddle!"), and it is a basic fact of spanking life that the Top must be prepared to meet and overcome the resistance of his Sub, for women sometimes try to resist even though more often they're ready to be told what to do and to obey. Threats of a more severe implement (like the paddle here) or extra "penalty swats" are two ways of getting compliance, as are taking her by the ear (I had to do this once) or arm to bring her to the side of the chair you're going to spank her in. As well done as it is by Mark, I think Natalie's miscalculation is more interesting: she's trying to make herself believe that he's going to get so distracted by the sight of her bottom that he'll forget about spanking, not realizing that when a girl's fanny is turned up over a fellow's knee, providing a most tempting target, he's just got to think about spanking her !

She must not fully believe it, though, for the visual emphasis in this panel is on her expression, which is one of extreme trepidation. I could tell even without seeing your response to B00m that this was where most of your effort went.

Your Overbarrel signature has been all over the audio equipment - this time, it's on what I believe to be some sort of gaming station. I'm not sure because believe it or not, I've never played any video games on my computer! It's just work, work, work, search for more spankings, etc.

[overbarrel49]

I love the ultimatum here ("take off your jeans or I use the paddle!"), and it is a basic fact of spanking life that the Top must be prepared to meet and overcome the resistance of his Sub, for women sometimes try to resist even though more often they're ready to be told what to do and to obey. Threats of a more severe implement (like the paddle here) or extra "penalty swats" are two ways of getting compliance, as are taking her by the ear (I had to do this once) or arm to bring her to the side of the chair you're going to spank her in. As well done as it is by Mark, I think Natalie's miscalculation is more interesting: she's trying to make herself believe that he's going to get so distracted by the sight of her bottom that he'll forget about spanking, not realizing that when a girl's fanny is turned up over a fellow's knee, providing a most tempting target, he's just got to think about spanking her !

hi web-ed,

i'm glad you like my solution as to how to ensure cooperation from a naughty girl . that's one that i took from my own past . i agree 100% that women will sometimes resist and protest even if a spanking is what they were going for all along. after all, they wouldn't want the spanker, or anyone else, to know that they actually "want" a spanking . interesting that you mentioned penalty swats as threats of those will be coming up in coming pics . i think you're right about her "trying to make herself believe" he will get distracted. actually, i think she's just so inundated and out of control by all of this, that's all she could think of. she should have talked to you about this first .

She must not fully believe it, though, for the visual emphasis in this panel is on her expression, which is one of extreme trepidation. I could tell even without seeing your response to B00m that this was where most of your effort went.

yep! that's way those butterflies have gotten frantic thanks for the comment about her expression too. it did make me grin .

Your Overbarrel signature has been all over the audio equipment - this time, it's on what I believe to be some sort of gaming station. I'm not sure because believe it or not, I've never played any video games on my computer! It's just work, work, work, search for more spankings, etc.

i took that to be a gaming console too and i think the place i put the logo was the game cartridge sticking out, which seemed like a appropriate place to put it. i too have little experience with video games so i'm kind of guessing here but my kids did have them so i know a little. it's always difficult to find new places to put the logo when the whole thing takes place in one room. i'm glad you took time off from your search for new spankings to check out my latest effort . thanks, phil

[daneldorado]

Hi Phil... Your "An Alternate Proposal" story mystified me for a while, because it looked to me as if you were dragging it out too long, without ever getting to a spanking panel. The latest panel is no. 005, and still we have seen no "action." But your post of this afternoon kind of redeems the slow pace of the story by delving a bit into the psychology lesson we are all getting, here... along with Natalie.

As a veteran of many spanking wars myself, I can attest to the truths revealed here in your narrative. Yes, it is a basic fact of spanking life that the Top must be prepared to meet and overcome the resistance of his Sub, for women sometimes try to resist even though more often they're ready to be told what to do and to obey.

I'll echo Web-ed's comment that Natalie must not fully believe her man would actually spank her though, for the visual emphasis in your panel 005 is on her expression, which is one of extreme trepidation. Your efforts to describe and explain this dynamic must strike a chord with every experienced spanko that reads it.

You are doing a fine job of building up to what I suspect will be a brilliant climax, even though it is taking you a while to get there. But there is more maturity and depth in "An Alternate Proposal" than we are used to seeing... at least so far. Please, Phil, contiinue your story in this mode. There is a psychological side to spanking, not just spanks delivered randomly and without thought.

Cheers,
Dan

[overbarrel49]

Hi Phil... Your "An Alternate Proposal" story mystified me for a while, because it looked to me as if you were dragging it out too long, without ever getting to a spanking panel. The latest panel is no. 005, and still we have seen no "action." But your post of this afternoon kind of redeems the slow pace of the story by delving a bit into the psychology lesson we are all getting, here... along with Natalie.

hi Dan,

i can understand your mystification. this is a departure from my usual pattern of hurrying through the opening scenes, using just enough to set the stage for the spanking. i have been thinking that perhaps i was missing the boat by doing this since the announcement and the subsequent discussion before the spanking starts is emotionally very powerful and sets the tone for the spanking. this situation seemed to me to be a good time to get aboard that boat.

As a veteran of many spanking wars myself, I can attest to the truths revealed here in your narrative. Yes, it is a basic fact of spanking life that the Top must be prepared to meet and overcome the resistance of his Sub, for women sometimes try to resist even though more often they're ready to be told what to do and to obey.

you are quite right. this is also in my experience, which is why i have included it here. sometimes just the presence of a paddle is enough to ensure cooperation from the spankee even though it's in her nature to protest and resist .

I'll echo Web-ed's comment that Natalie must not fully believe her man would actually spank her though, for the visual emphasis in your panel 005 is on her expression, which is one of extreme trepidation. Your efforts to describe and explain this dynamic must strike a chord with every experienced spanko that reads it.

right again! she does not fully understand.........or believe yet..........but she will gain that understanding as we go along . i was hoping that this "drawn out" process would indeed strike a chord with spankers and spankees alike but was uncertain how it would be received. so far the response from both sides of the battle of the sexes has been favorable so i assumed that such chords had been struck. you are the first one to come right out and say this, however, and i took a certain amount of satisfaction from your comment .

You are doing a fine job of building up to what I suspect will be a brilliant climax, even though it is taking you a while to get there. But there is more maturity and depth in "An Alternate Proposal" than we are used to seeing... at least so far. Please, Phil, contiinue your story in this mode. There is a psychological side to spanking, not just spanks delivered randomly and without thought.

Cheers,
Dan

i enjoyed your comment about "a psychological side" because that was exactly what i was hoping to be able to depict .......and i will be continuing in this manner for some time. as a matter of fact, it will be pic #10 before she goes OTK and we get on with the spanking.............and rest assured, there will be a PLENTY spanking in this one . thanks, phil

[hugob00m]

i enjoyed your comment about "a psychological side" because that was exactly what i was hoping to be able to depict .......and i will be continuing in this manner for some time. as a matter of fact, it will be pic #10 before she goes OTK and we get on with the spanking.............and rest assured, there will be a PLENTY spanking in this one.

If it takes a little longer than usual to lead up to the spanking, I'm fine with that. Your stoytelling ability is part of what makes your art come to life. Do we still call it a comic strip when it's "drawn" using poser software? Graphic Novel? Whatever label we put on it, the medium you use is uniquely suited to giving us the story in both pictoral and written form. A book is better by far than a movie when it comes to expressing the thoughts of the characters. In a movie, we have to either interpret their thoughts by their words and actions, or listen to a lot of narration that tends to interfere with the action. With "comic" art, what is best said with an image is there for us to see, and what needs to be put into words is there in those little clouds!

And if anyone criticizes you for taking too long to get on with the spanking part. it sure won't be me! I've done a few long stories myself!

[overbarrel49]

If it takes a little longer than usual to lead up to the spanking, I'm fine with that. Your stoytelling ability is part of what makes your art come to life.

hi Boom.

thanks for the compliment about my story telling . i always loved spanking drawings but i personally think the more i know about the spanking, the more i enjoy it.

Do we still call it a comic strip when it's "drawn" using poser software? Graphic Novel? Whatever label we put on it, the medium you use is uniquely suited to giving us the story in both pictoral and written form. A book is better by far than a movie when it comes to expressing the thoughts of the characters. In a movie, we have to either interpret their thoughts by their words and actions, or listen to a lot of narration that tends to interfere with the action. With "comic" art, what is best said with an image is there for us to see, and what needs to be put into words is there in those little clouds!

interesting comments about the difference between books, movies and comic art. i usually try to keep the words to a minimum although i usually struggle to do so as i have a tendency to be wordy. i got a comment from Dave Wolfe which said that he thought this last pics was "copy heavy" and i have to say i agree with him. i would much prefer fewer words but in this case, i haven't found a way to do that and still give a good depiction of what their words and thoughts are. in this case, i think the extra words are necessary for me to give as accurate a depiction as possible of what might be going on in their minds so i'm doing it anyway. i think that once we reach the actual spanking, that problem will probably solve itself. i really don't have a good idea of how to label my work. i usually just call them "toons" . btw, the current form i use is largely due to comments from viewers. i have done single pics with no dialog, single pics with dialog, i have used a series of pics, each with it's own title to tell a spanking story and my current format which seems to be the most popular and well received.

And if anyone criticizes you for taking too long to get on with the spanking part. it sure won't be me! I've done a few long stories myself!

i appreciate that and i also appreciate that you took time to sent the comment . i was a little uncertain about doing this but so far the comments i have gotten about it are all positive so i'll press on with it. thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

hi everyone,

Since this will be the first time Mark has given Natalie a spanking, it looks like he's decided he needs to go over the rules with her before starting . meanwhile, Natalie seems to be going over her feelings about all of this........with some unexpected results . i hope you all enjoy the new pic. phil

[hugob00m]

Natalie wanted Mark to "take charge" and now he's doing just that. You might even say he's "laying down the law". She obviously wasn't expecting him to be this much in control... and now it looks like she wants to back out. But I don't see that he has the option of letting her back out. If he does, he'll forever be weak in her eyes.

There's a line from McLintock! "This is the first marriage I've ever seen that started out with a spanking!" I think maybe Mark and Natalie are going to have a marriage that starts out with a spanking too! One thing for sure: if he proposes again right after he's done, I don't think she's going to be indecisive about her answer anymore!

I love your latest panel and I'm looking forward to more of the story!

[daneldorado]

Hmmm... Say, Phil, I don't know what this says about ME... but when I spank a girl, I never order her to call me "Sir." They always just call me Dan, or some other term.

In fact, the one and only time that a spankee called me Sir, she was one of the "working girls" at a spanking parlor I used to visit, in the San Fernando Valley. I guess it was an accepted part of her trade, that she should call the man Sir. But I quickly disabused her of that notion. I said: "Call me Dan." And she did... and we developed a friendship that lasted for several years.

This fellow "Mark" in your latest story must be schooled in that branch of spanking that dictates specific qualities and attributes, rules for those who engage in such pursuits. I suppose that, at some level, some of your readers will nod in agreement with this. To each his own.

Cheers,
Dan

[overbarrel49]

Natalie wanted Mark to "take charge" and now he's doing just that. You might even say he's "laying down the law". She obviously wasn't expecting him to be this much in control... and now it looks like she wants to back out. But I don't see that he has the option of letting her back out. If he does, he'll forever be weak in her eyes.

hi Boom,

you're right! Natalie did indeed want Mark to take charge but she didn't have ANY of this in mind . i also think that Natalie "thinks" she wants to back out but even that may change as things progress. as you remarked, she DOES want him to take charge . besides, right now it's probably hard for her to analyze the volume of the sensations she's got coming in and i'm not sure she knows what she wants right now .

There's a line from McLintock! "This is the first marriage I've ever seen that started out with a spanking!" I think maybe Mark and Natalie are going to have a marriage that starts out with a spanking too! One thing for sure: if he proposes again right after he's done, I don't think she's going to be indecisive about her answer anymore!

i can see that you're thinking forward about all this which i doubt Natalie is at this point . i will say that i have a hunch that the spanking that she's about to get will definitely end her indecisiveness........one way or another .

I love your latest panel and I'm looking forward to more of the story!

i'm glad you're enjoying the story and this latest pic . thanks for your comments. phil

[overbarrel49]

Hmmm... Say, Phil, I don't know what this says about ME... but when I spank a girl, I never order her to call me "Sir." They always just call me Dan, or some other term.

hi Dan,

well, actually, i never have the girl call me sir either but to some folks it's part of the ritual..........part of the transfer of control to the spanker. this ritual is used, as is the announcement of the spanking, to set the tone of the spanking and to bring forth emotional responses from the spankee. i used having her call him sir, as well as setting down the rules for the spanking, for the same purpose here.......just as Mark might have actually done. i wanted to see just what thoughts and emotions all this might bring forth.........especially in Natalie. all these emotions can be pretty powerful and you can see them having an increasing effect on Natalie........or at least that was my intention.

In fact, the one and only time that a spankee called me Sir, she was one of the "working girls" at a spanking parlor I used to visit, in the San Fernando Valley. I guess it was an accepted part of her trade, that she should call the man Sir. But I quickly disabused her of that notion. I said: "Call me Dan." And she did... and we developed a friendship that lasted for several years.

i have to figure that the girl you are talking about was calling you sir because she thought it was expected. i also think the situation with Natalie and Mark is quite different than your visit to the spanking parlor. Mark is trying to establish his dominance in this situation, which is a new experience for both of them.

This fellow "Mark" in your latest story must be schooled in that branch of spanking that dictates specific qualities and attributes, rules for those who engage in such pursuits. I suppose that, at some level, some of your readers will nod in agreement with this. To each his own.

Cheers,
Dan

it does seem that Mark has some previous experience as a spanker, or at least has been around spanking some. i think you hit the nail right on the head when you said, " to each his own". to some folks the ritual is an integral and important of a spanking. to others it is ridiculous or anything in between . interesting comments and good fodder for discussion. thanks, phil

[web-ed]

The center of attention in this latest installment seems to be Natalie's expression, which is still too pouty for Mark's taste. But there's also some visual interest and a sense of anticipation in their relative positions, with Natalie poised to fit perfectly over Mark's knee. This is probably the moment of greatest tension for the spankee-to-be, as she knows she's about to be turned over and once that happens, it's all over . It's a critical moment, and worth expending a panel on.

Now as to the spankee having to refer to the spanker as "sir": while it certainly doesn't need to be a part of every spanking, there are two situations in which I feel this is absolutely appropriate. The first is the true disciplinary scene, in which the spankee is receiving real discipline for an actual infraction (consuming junk food, failure to use seat belt, partying instead of studying, etc.). In such cases the spankee has generally already agreed to be disciplined because she wants to improve some area of her life, and it is entirely fitting that she show her respect for her disciplinarian by addressing him as "sir".

The second situation is more complex psychologically. There are women who need to submit but have a lot of trouble doing so. The desire to get spanked is too powerful for them to resist, yet they have trouble giving up control even though this is what they crave. This is not the same thing as "bratting", but the spanker must be as unflinching when dealing with these "reluctant" Subs as he is with the brats. Basically, the Top must "force" the woman to give up control by any means necessary. Any resistance on her part must be met with more spanking until defiance turns into compliance. I find a bending-over paddling most useful here, as being forced to bend over and present her bottom emphasizes the spankee's subordinate position. But addressing the spanker as "sir" is immensely helpful also because it puts the spankee in a properly submissive frame of mind - in short, it underscores just exactly who the boss is.

And speaking of assuming the position, I'm eager to see Natalie drop her drawers and get into position over Mark's knee, which I assume will happen next time.

[overbarrel49]

The center of attention in this latest installment seems to be Natalie's expression, which is still too pouty for Mark's taste. But there's also some visual interest and a sense of anticipation in their relative positions, with Natalie poised to fit perfectly over Mark's knee. This is probably the moment of greatest tension for the spankee-to-be, as she knows she's about to be turned over and once that happens, it's all over . It's a critical moment, and worth expending a panel on.

hi web-ed,

her expression is part of what i was trying to depict in this one. you mentioned their positions and the sense of anticipation and i think that's all part of it. if you notice, this pic is shot from farther back than some of the others so you can see the entire scene and that is what my focus was. i wanted to show all of both of them, their positions, body language, her expression etc. i had one spankee comment that this pic didn't need any dialog because it was obvious what was going on just from the pic .

The second situation is more complex psychologically. There are women who need to submit but have a lot of trouble doing so. The desire to get spanked is too powerful for them to resist, yet they have trouble giving up control even though this is what they crave. This is not the same thing as "bratting", but the spanker must be as unflinching when dealing with these "reluctant" Subs as he is with the brats. Basically, the Top must "force" the woman to give up control by any means necessary. Any resistance on her part must be met with more spanking until defiance turns into compliance. I find a bending-over paddling most useful here, as being forced to bend over and present her bottom emphasizes the spankee's subordinate position. But addressing the spanker as "sir" is immensely helpful also because it puts the spankee in a properly submissive frame of mind - in short, it underscores just exactly who the boss is.

you have interesting comments about her calling him sir. i don't think either situation exactly describes this situation though. i covered some of this in my reply to Dan but i do think Mark is using this as a device to help establish his dominance and help with the transfer of control since this is the first time he'll be spanking her............and the first time for him to take charge ..........and, as you said, it puts her in a submissive frame of mind and underscores who is boss .

And speaking of assuming the position, I'm eager to see Natalie drop her drawers and get into position over Mark's knee, which I assume will happen next time.

she will be pushing those panties down next time . it will still be a while before she goes OTK though as Mark still has some lecturing and laying down the law to finish first . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

now those emotions are flowing

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hi everyone,

apparently, Natalie is finding the flood of emotions she's now having to be a bit confusing and embarrassing................not to mention surprising . i hope you all enjoy it. phil

[web-ed]

O.K. - we've come in for a closer shot of the pair as the lecture continues, which is fine as we needed a longer shot last time when it looked like Natalie was about to get taken over Mark's knee. I don't think Natalie's body language here could be improved upon, as you can see how difficult it is for her to pull her panties down (nice guy that I am, I often spare my spankee this difficulty by taking down her panties myself ). Now as to Natalie's expression, I can't point out any particular problem, but something about her face seems very slightly off. Since I can't quite nail it down, it can't be a big deal - perhaps it's that the shape of her mouth as she frowns is almost too perfect geometrically, or a slight angle of the eyes or eyebrows.

There is still some question as to what type of spanking this is going to be, but the extended lecture is characteristic of a disciplinary session (and incidentally, a good pre-spanking lecture is strongly desired by some spankees). I think you have in mind more of an "establishment" spanking in which the male establishes his dominance over the female since Natalie hasn't done anything "wrong", although I could point to her stubborn refusal to explain her behavior to Mark as a kind of spankable offense. I'm inclined to think the ambiguity here is the result of the inherent D/S element within a disciplinary context, which of course is also why so many women find that even a hint of discipline increases the excitement of being spanked.

I wanted to write a bit more, but I only had about three hours' sleep and I'm too tired now.