An Alternate Proposal

[sunflower309]

Mark seems to be trying to be helpful to Natalie but somehow she doesn't seem appreciative ??? as a matter of fact, she seems down right suspicious

hi Phil,

in my short experience, a spanker it never helpful to a spankee. I would be suspicious also. penalties seem too easy to come by. more easy than avoiding them. after all when you are in a position to be checking out the floor (my spanker has very nice hardwood floors) and your bottom is waving in the air it is very easy to forget to do what you're supposed to do (like call him "sir") or do something that you're not supposed to do. everything about a spanking is for the spankers advantage, in my opinion. which isn't really a bad thing for the spankee, except for the red, sore bottom. there is that love/hate relationship again. I like the before anticipation, and the results after, but not so much during. the penalty swats are the worst (best), I don't pick my leg up but I do try and shuffle forward a little after each swat, like I can get away from that damn paddle! and you spankers are good at finding new excuses for our penalty swats, so there is no chance of escaping them. again Phil, you nailed this one (LOL) and this could indeed still be me. after seeing this toon I thought back to my first penalty swats. I will never look forward with anticipation to getting swats, but I will remember them (maybe fondly isn't the right word, but it's close) and the first ones were my most intense emotionally. like Natalie I think I was a fast learner. and still suspicious! thanks Phil for a great toon!!

sunflower

[sunflower309]

Now, Sunflower mentioned that she didn't like counting or having to say "sir," and we should note that spankees vary quite a bit when it comes to this

hi web-ed,

yes, these are not my favorite, but I do what I have to do.is the purpose of this, from a spankers standpoint, to show his domination over the spankee? I believe it is. of course until my spanking is finished I have no doubt that I am being dominated, but I guess this is just one way to call attention to that. one of the many ways. if I was not being submissive I would probably count, but not call him "sir". what would you do in that situation? if your spankees don't call you sir during the penalty swats? just wondering, even though every top is different, just as a lot of submissives are different. yet, strangely alike also.

sunflower

[web-ed]

Now, Sunflower mentioned that she didn't like counting or having to say "sir," and we should note that spankees vary quite a bit when it comes to this

hi web-ed,

yes, these are not my favorite, but I do what I have to do.is the purpose of this, from a spankers standpoint, to show his domination over the spankee? I believe it is. of course until my spanking is finished I have no doubt that I am being dominated, but I guess this is just one way to call attention to that. one of the many ways. if I was not being submissive I would probably count, but not call him "sir". what would you do in that situation? if your spankees don't call you sir during the penalty swats? just wondering, even though every top is different, just as a lot of submissives are different. yet, strangely alike also.

sunflower

Interestingly enough, counting and addressing the spanker as "sir" are two different, although not entirely unrelated, things. I generally require the spankee to address me as "sir" during the entire session, especially if it's a disciplinary session, and the purpose of this is to emphasize my superior position and make her feel more submissive, which it does very effectively. I don't always make the spankee count swats, although I generally do for the penalty swats since I want to set them apart in some way in the spankee's mind. If a spankee hates counting, I don't make her do it too much, but I reserve the right to make her count out a small number. If the spankee loves counting, I will always make her count some of the swats, penalty or no.

The purpose of counting, generally speaking, is to increase the spankee's humiliation - and there's an important clue there, for as you say, "a lot of submissives are different. yet, strangely alike also". I'm finally writing my series of articles on the whys of spanking, and in one of them I'll explain exactly how submissives are alike and why some of them like counting and some do not even though they're all seeking basically the same thing. Let us say only here that some Subs find counting annoying but not humiliating.

You ask what would I do if the spankee failed to address me as "sir" during the penalty swats? [Sunflower is referring here to the situation in which the spankee must count "One, sir" "Two, sir" or "One, thank you, sir" "Two, thank you, sir".] That's easy - if she doesn't count the swats as instructed, then they don't count, period! I correct her immediately, since I truly don't intend to give her more penalty swats than absolutely necessary, on the assumption that she's made an honest mistake. So if she didn't count the first swat properly, she will get just that swat over again. Faced with the possibility of an endless supply of swats if she doesn't do as instructed, the sub will quickly realize it is to her advantage to do as she's told!

Finally, counting may be used for "regular" swats also: I mentioned above that for those spankees who really love counting, I will make a point of requiring her to do this for some of the swats (note that subs love to be told to do what they secretly want to do - another psychological point of some significance). Sometimes I will count some of her swats if I have the idea that a particular sub will find that more humiliating - it's a way of "rubbing it in" (the fact that she's getting a paddling). I don't do counting all the way through a session as it can become boring if relied on too much, and I like to give lots of swats!

Now as to Phil's latest, panel #30 - we can't escape the subject of penalty swats, since that's what's going on here, and like B00m I love the view in this one (I would think all Tops do ). Poor Natalie - still 8 more swats to go! I really do feel sorry for her, but Top that I am, I also want to see her get her 8 more swats (More spanking psychology here - male Tops are less conflicted than female Subs, but I think a good Top must always blend compassion in with "sadism", here used loosely to mean the desire to administer an effective spanking).

[sunflower309]

The purpose of counting, generally speaking, is to increase the spankee's humiliation

I guess that is why I don't like counting. that combined with the sir, and especially thanking "sir" for my swat, is very humiliating. when he counts it's almost as bad. i'm thinking as I gain more spanking experience it is harder for me to be submissive. I want to have some kind of control over something. my first few spankings it was very easy to be submissive. I had thought of situations where I would rebel, but could not bring myself to do it. now the urge is getting stronger. I know, in the back of my mind, that not being submissive will not bode well for my bottom. I believe my top will not put up with any transgressions on my part, but it is getting oh so difficult. I don't know if with any kind of persistence I can have a little control. even if it's not counting penalty swats, or calling him sir, or something. sometimes when given an order I say "no" but then quickly give in. I don't want to do that anymore. willingly. I guess I wil see how much nerve I have, and how dominant my top is. like Natalie, I made my spankings too easy. but the first time, not knowing what to expect she did the right thing! see what you started Phil? LOL

sunflower

[overbarrel49]

hi Phil,

in my short experience, a spanker it never helpful to a spankee. I would be suspicious also. penalties seem too easy to come by. more easy than avoiding them. after all when you are in a position to be checking out the floor (my spanker has very nice hardwood floors) and your bottom is waving in the air it is very easy to forget to do what you're supposed to do (like call him "sir") or do something that you're not supposed to do. everything about a spanking is for the spankers advantage, in my opinion. which isn't really a bad thing for the spankee, except for the red, sore bottom. there is that love/hate relationship again. I like the before anticipation, and the results after, but not so much during. the penalty swats are the worst (best), I don't pick my leg up but I do try and shuffle forward a little after each swat, like I can get away from that damn paddle! and you spankers are good at finding new excuses for our penalty swats, so there is no chance of escaping them. again Phil, you nailed this one (LOL) and this could indeed still be me. after seeing this toon I thought back to my first penalty swats. I will never look forward with anticipation to getting swats, but I will remember them (maybe fondly isn't the right word, but it's close) and the first ones were my most intense emotionally. like Natalie I think I was a fast learner. and still suspicious! thanks Phil for a great toon!!

sunflower

hi sunflower,

you and Natalie seem to be in agreement here..................typical spankee attitude if you ask me . i appreciate it so much that you are willing to share your thoughts and feelings with us as you progress through the process of getting into adult spanking . it's almost like we are there with you and it gives us a perspective that spankers especially seldom get . i'm also glad you enjoyed the pic, that you thought i nailed this scenario and that it made a connection with you . i don't mind telling everyone that i have been picking Sunflower's brain during this part of the toon and that she has shared her experiences with me and looked at each pic during the penalty swats to give me input. i'll also mention that i have looked at the articles that web-ed has posted for us about paddling and correct positions and such so both those and Sunflower's comments have been really helpful to me . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

Now as to Phil's latest, panel #30 - we can't escape the subject of penalty swats, since that's what's going on here, and like B00m I love the view in this one (I would think all Tops do ). Poor Natalie - still 8 more swats to go! I really do feel sorry for her, but Top that I am, I also want to see her get her 8 more swats (More spanking psychology here - male Tops are less conflicted than female Subs, but I think a good Top must always blend compassion in with "sadism", here used loosely to mean the desire to administer an effective spanking).

hi web-ed,

i'm glad you liked the view on this one.............i have to admit it's one of my favorites too . i liked your comments about compassion and the desire to administer to deliver and effective spanking. i have to point out, though, that delivering that effective spanking also adds a lot to the satisfaction the spankee feels at the end of the spanking .

see what you started Phil? LOL

Sunflower, i do see what i started and i'm glad i did as i have enjoyed the exchange between you and web-ed showing the differing attitudes between spanker and spankee . thanks, phil

[sunflower309]

i don't mind telling everyone that i have been picking Sunflower's brain during this part of the toon and that she has shared her experiences with me and looked at each pic during the penalty swats to give me input.

Hi Phil,

I enjoyed reliving my first penalty swats and helping you out. I guess that's why I identify so closely with this toon, at least where the penalty swats are concerned! i'm always here if you ever need anything else.

Sunflower, i do see what i started and i'm glad i did as i have enjoyed the exchange between you and web-ed showing the differing attitudes between spanker and spankee . thanks, phil

see what you started Phil? LOL

Sunflower, i do see what i started and i'm glad i did as i have enjoyed the exchange between you and web-ed showing the differing attitudes between spanker and spankee . thanks, phil

and as always I think the spankee comes out on the short end! web-ed has so much more experience and knowledge than me. I think i have learned enough to know that the spanker is always right, and what the spankee wants is of no consequence, at least once the spanking starts. and on here i seem to be the only spankee against all you spankers.......not good odds! but fun for everyone.

sunflower

[overbarrel49]

WHAT!?!?

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hi everyone,

OOPS! it looks like Natalie forgot something and she seems to be having a bit of trouble believing the results . i hope you all enjoy it. phil

[daneldorado]

Spankees can vary widely in their choices. I've met some that would be all soft and flirty and would practically invite you to spank them. And I have met the other kind, the ones that you start to spank, when suddenly she makes you stop and demands to know: "WHAT are you doing?" Meaning, of course, that she didn't want a hard spanking.

Obviously, this puts the spanker on the spot, because we cannot read minds.

But once, I came across a spankee who was slender in all the right places, a little taller than I, and she was the most beautiful spankee I had ever met... a real winner. But I spoke with a dude who had ALREADY spanked her, and he warned me;

"Dan, you've got to go easy on this one. She doesn't like to get spanked."

That made me wonder, what in the hell is she doing, working as a submissive, in a spanking parlor? So I hatched a plan.

I said to the girl -- BTW, her name was Angel -- "Tell you what. Let me spank you, my way... for exactly ONE HUNDRED swats. After that, I won't bother you any more."

Long story short: She agreed, and so I put her over my knee and I spanked her HARD, as she counted the swats. My buddy, the guy who had warned me that she doesn't like to be spanked, watched in awe but said nothing. As we reached the final swat -- No. 100 -- I gave her that 100th swat, stopped and told her: "Okay, your ordeal is over." Angel got up and gave me a kiss. We never again spoke about that spanking.

What this tells me -- Sunflower, please correct me if you think I am wrong -- is that if a spankee is somewhat reluctant to be spanked, you can always try to temper her unease by setting a limit on the number of spanks, or on the pain level that she finds appropriate.

Cheers,
Dan

[web-ed]

Wow - is that the setting sun in shades of pink and red? Oh no wait, it's Natalie's ____! Lovely work And she forgot to count the swat, which means she gets it again - ouch! I think the first time this happens to a spankee, she's horrified just as Natalie is here, but they get over it eventually. I think you've captured the moment accurately.

So we have, I think, two panels left, enough for the final swat, which should be a good one in every sense and an after-the-spanking panel in which the couple's problems are over and it's time for some love-making - if as I think you post this one on 2/28 it will help bring Romantic Spanking Month to a very satisfying conclusion (in more ways than one ).

[sunflower309]

What this tells me -- Sunflower, please correct me if you think I am wrong -- is that if a spankee is somewhat reluctant to be spanked, you can always try to temper her unease by setting a limit on the number of spanks, or on the pain level that she finds appropriate.

Hi Dan,

you are not wrong. I am never reluctant to be spanked (even though when I am getting spanked it hurts and I wonder why I asked for it!) but I always know what to expect as far as my swats are concerned. I am told how many are coming and I either count them (I find that embarrassing) or he does (almost as embarrassing) when I am OTK there are no set amount of spanks but he seems to know when I have had enough. even though I protest that my spankings hurt (and they do! trust me) they are never alarming to me. they are well within my tolerance level. I have received some swats that were pretty stingy, more than I thought they would be, but stuff happens! so yes, if limits are set before a spanking, us spankees are more comfortable with that. you seem to be a very considerate spanker Dan. a no nonsense spanker, but considerate. that is important.

And she forgot to count the swat, which means she gets it again - ouch! I think the first time this happens to a spankee, she's horrified just as Natalie is here, but they get over it eventually. I think you've captured the moment accurately.

it is indeed horrifying, and believe me, it will only happen once. because no pleading will stop it from being repeated. I have lost count once, because let's face it, with the sting going on in my bottom, it's hard to remember where the count is. but thank goodness, I recovered and continued to count. I don't know what would have happened if I got the count wrong. I don't even want to think about it! and yes, we get over it eventually! but no extra swats are needed, thank you very much!

sunflower

[sunflower309]

it's easy to forget to count.......once. because yes, if you don't count, the spanker assumes you didn't feel it (yeah, right!) it just so happens that maybe that one was harder then the others. sometimes I get a "good one" that stings more. when you're whole being is focused on the fire in your bottom it is easy to forget! but again, no more swats necessary, so that helps the memory.

sunflower

[hugob00m]

Mmmm! I love it! She forgot to count a swat! My question is: does she just get that one over again, or does he have to start ALL OVER with NUMBER ONE? I can hardly wait 'til next week so I can find out! (Her bottom is looking pretty red already! I bet she's hoping he won't start all over... but then... she seems to be panicking at the thought of getting just that one a second time!)

Meanwhile, I'm loving the view of her cute round backside pointing up at the audience!

[overbarrel49]

Wow - is that the setting sun in shades of pink and red? Oh no wait, it's Natalie's ____! Lovely work And she forgot to count the swat, which means she gets it again - ouch! I think the first time this happens to a spankee, she's horrified just as Natalie is here, but they get over it eventually. I think you've captured the moment accurately.

hi web-ed,

i'm glad you enjoyed the view in this one ...............there's nothing wrong with a little ambient "glow" in a situation like this one . i was hoping you'd have a comment about that first missed count since i know you've given many penalty swats in your day. i was particularly gratified that you thought Natalie's reaction was an accurate one and that i did indeed capture the moment .

So we have, I think, two panels left, enough for the final swat, which should be a good one in every sense and an after-the-spanking panel in which the couple's problems are over and it's time for some love-making - if as I think you post this one on 2/28 it will help bring Romantic Spanking Month to a very satisfying conclusion (in more ways than one ).

i can tell from the "thoughtful" nature of the comments you always make, that you are paying a lot of attention to my pics and toons . you almost always have things figured out and i don't mind being somewhat predictable. in this case you are partly right. there are actually 4 pics left but the ending will indeed come on the 28th. i have one for next week and then will post the final 3 pics to wrap it up on the 28th so i will be adding to conclusion of Romantic Spanking Month . however, i may still have some surprises in store for the ending of this one..........we'll see . i mentioned when i posted this one that there was a similarity to Boom's Valentine Katie strip. upon further review, i have discovered a second similarity and i will mention those when i post the final pics. thanks for your comments . phil

[overbarrel49]

it's easy to forget to count.......once. because yes, if you don't count, the spanker assumes you didn't feel it (yeah, right!) it just so happens that maybe that one was harder then the others. sometimes I get a "good one" that stings more. when you're whole being is focused on the fire in your bottom it is easy to forget! but again, no more swats necessary, so that helps the memory.

sunflower

hi Sunflower,

you seem skeptical that the spanker really does assume you missed that swat you forgot to count .hmmmmm, i wonder just why your spanker feels the need to give you those "good ones"........................perhaps you did something to make him think that btw, you aren't the only spankee to make that comment about it being easy to forget because you're concentrating on what's happening to your bottom i'm glad you connected with this pic . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

Mmmm! I love it! She forgot to count a swat! My question is: does she just get that one over again, or does he have to start ALL OVER with NUMBER ONE? I can hardly wait 'til next week so I can find out! (Her bottom is looking pretty red already! I bet she's hoping he won't start all over... but then... she seems to be panicking at the thought of getting just that one a second time!)

hi Boom,

yeah, i love it too i have to give credit to Sunflower here who was kind enough to tell me a short story about the first penalty swat that she forgot to count that's how i was able to "capture" this moment so well as web-ed commented . fyi, Mark wouldn't be mean enough to totally start over but Natalie WILL be getting that forgotten swat over again and she won't be enjoying it . Natalie does seem to be panicking a bit here..............kind of makes me think that paddle is really stinging her bare bottom .

Meanwhile, I'm loving the view of her cute round backside pointing up at the audience!

i'm glad you're enjoying the view..............especially since i'm not used to depicting this kind of position and i had to give these camera angles a lot of thought thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

the last swat

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hi everyone,

Oh, man! That smarts ! That last swat even caused Natalie a few tears ..............of course, considering the discussion of their lives going forward, there could be an emotional component to those tears too ! Then, on the other hand, Natalie might just be pissed off that she forgot to count that one swat . i hope you enjoy this pic. we'll be finishing this toon up next week so stay tooned for the grand finale. thanks, phil

[willjohn]

Perhaps Natalie should have brushed up on her arithmetic before taking up with Mark.

At least he seems to have cured her of indecision.

[overbarrel49]

Perhaps Natalie should have brushed up on her arithmetic before taking up with Mark.

hi Willjohn,

no doubt she's wishing she had...............i'll bet she'll remember next time

At least he seems to have cured her of indecision.

you are exactly right. i think she has indeed made some decisions as to what will be best for her . of course, Mark may have had a little something to do with that , thanks, phil

[web-ed]

Well! We have reached our story's ultimate swat and penultimate panel, and I think we can safely say Natalie is grateful for that . Now as we discussed a couple of weeks ago, the bending-over positions lend themselves to being depicted from many different camera angles, and you took advantage of the fact that by using a different angle in each of the six panels (#27 - 32) where Natalie has been made to assume that position. So we've enjoyed a very pleasant variety as the swats were applied (although Natalie hasn't!), culminating in a frontal view of Natalie's face as she reacts to the final swat (which she obviously felt ), so some very good storytelling here. As to that final swat, Natalie's face is at the center of the composition, and I find myself reacting with a mixture of compassion for her ordeal and satisfaction because she had it coming to her.

Natalie also knows now that she'll be subjected to more spankings in the future, and after a while she'll grow to like the idea (you can't expect her to feel that way right now while her fanny's still on fire from that last swat). Mark may have another condition or two to lay down, and I look forward to seeing that next time along with a very contrite Natalie.