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. sometimes it takes young people a long time to realize just how smart their folks were but i think Steve is already starting to suspect that his dad was right........at least about some things.......... 
. i hope you enjoy this week's episode. phil 
You've drawn Tina with a nice little target, and I think her man is going to REALLY ENJOY spanking her! hi Boom,hugob00m wrote:Post by hugob00m » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:42 pm
Wow! Her nagging would be just about enough to dirve any man nuts! He didn't dust befire vacuuming... He cut the grass too short... And (GASP!) he put the clothes on the hanger facing the wrong way! Yeah. There are some women who think that such "rules" about housework were handed down on stone tablets along with the Ten Commandments. Of course, we men think, just as long as stuff gets cleaned... what does it matter which way clothes are facing on the hanger?
. those are all things i have run across in my own experience btw. i will say that they were presented in a different manner with a different attitude, however or there would have been some blistered bottoms included 
. i DO hang the clothes on the hangers facing the way Karen wants them. my reaction when she first mentioned this was, "what the hell is the difference". on further reflection, however, i could see a couple of good reasons for complying...........1)because it keeps both of us doing it the same way and 2) because she asked me nicely to do this for her and didn't give orders or boss me around. i cut the grass how i like however . i don't mind doing things her way, especially when it comes to housework since that is one of her areas of responsibility. i do mind being ordered, bossed around or given some "attitude" and in those cases, red bottom cheeks were often the result . it's certainly not going to work the way Tina's been going at it and i think she's about to figure that out..............the hard wayhugob00m wrote:Perhaps, as seems to be the case in this story... these houswork "rules" are just a way for the woman to estblish dominance. And, in Tina's case, it just isn't going to work!
.there again, Steve may not realize that yet but i think he's about to figure it outhugob00m wrote:And... there's always that OTHER reason to spank a woman!
. glad you're enjoying the toon so far . thanks, phil hi Willjohn,willjohn wrote:Jesus wept! Does she ever shut up? Only two ways to go here, a bare arsed spanking or a divorce!
. i guess i might have overdone it a bit on tina's complaining.........i'm gonna call that "exaggerating for effect" . she'll be shutting up any minute now . thanks, phil
hi Dan,daneldorado wrote:Wow! Little Tina is on a tear, nagging her new hubby like a shrewish termagant. Although this story is printed on a page, I swear I could hear that nagging in my ears! This is due to your outstanding artwork, including the captions.
. i'm sorry if it was so bad that you could actually hear it 
.yeah, again, you are not the only one to mention this. Dave Wolfe commented that i might consider using a separate page for the dialog. it seems to me that my toons have similarities with comic books as i do them now except that the people who publish comic books are less wordydaneldorado wrote:And speaking of captions... Looks to me as if you, Phil, are challenging our friend b00m with your loquacious speech balloons. For years, b00m has drawn panels in which the people seem to be secondary, while the huge speech balloons slowly take over the whole panel. Now, in A Custom Fit, you're doing the same thing! Ah well, as long as your prose is this well-written, your methods probably won't inspire any demonstrations outside your door.
. in this case, i figured it was ok on the first 4 pics since there wasn't any action anyway...............just people standing and talking...........and i wanted to make sure everyone knew what was going on. when we get to the spanking, hopefully i will be able to restrain myself and keep the dialog to a minimun .that should be coming right up..............or at least the spanking processdaneldorado wrote: Looking good, Phil. Can hardly wait for the spanking(s) to begin!
thanks, philI'll admit that Dan is right about me. I have looked back at some of my cartoons and realized that, in some cases, what I used a whole paragraph to say could've been condensed to a couple od sentences. However... in this case, I don't believe you're guilty of the same verbosity as I tend to be. The point here is to emphasize how unbearable Tina's nagging has become, and I think you've succeeded.daneldorado wrote:Looks to me as if you, Phil, are challenging our friend b00m with your loquacious speech balloons. For years, b00m has drawn panels in which the people seem to be secondary, while the huge speech balloons slowly take over the whole panel.
Yes. You have been quite effective on portraying the young lady's shrillness in print. She is clearly earning the punishment she's about to get!daneldorado wrote:I swear I could hear that nagging in my ears!
Being rather socially conservative, Willjohn, I can't support a divorce under these circumstances. Therefore, by a process of elimination, it will simply have to be "a bare arsed spanking"willjohn wrote:Jesus wept! Does she ever shut up? Only two ways to go here, a bare arsed spanking or a divorce!
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, I will add my two cents' worth on the question of the "loquacious speech balloons," however. In general, it's very easy to overwrite comics, because depending on the size of the panel, there are two hazards to watch out for: (1) Writing so many lines that the art is obscured, or (2) Writing so many lines that the pace of the story, which is controlled largely by how fast the reader moves from panel to panel, is slowed down too much (of course the difference in subject matter between successive panels also controls the pacing) . 
hi web-ed,web-ed wrote: Being rather socially conservative, Willjohn, I can't support a divorce under these circumstances. Therefore, by a process of elimination, it will simply have to be "a bare arsed spanking"
.i always consider how much room will be taken up by the word balloons, usually when i am posing the pics, although sometimes i am more successful at this than othersweb-ed wrote:I got here rather late in the day I'm afraid, Phil, so everyone else has already covered the main points. As an expert on the comics medium
. it is never my intention to cover up the players in my toons, or even small portions of them if i can help it, although sometimes i am left with no choice but to cover bits of them if i have misjudged the amount of space required for the dialog. however, your second point about the pace of the story is something that i had completely missed. i had never even considered that . perhaps that is because i generally post them one pic at a time but your comment has caused me to pause and consider folks who are reading the whole toon at one sitting. the example that comes most strongly to mind is Sunflower. she is a relatively recent addition to our little family here and i know she went back and read many toons that were posted before she arrived. i'm glad you mentioned this and it is something that i'll be thinking about from now on.these are more interesting observations. one advantage i have over comic strips or books is that my pics are much larger..............which is a good thing for me since i can get away with being more wordyweb-ed wrote:The first of these shouldn't be a problem for the artist/writer, since he presumably will not cover up the best portion of his artwork with a lot of speech balloons! The second is more tricky - I have found that a rather "standard" sized panel in a comic book, say 1/6 to 1/4 of a page, really only has room for two or three rather short lines of dialogue. In fact, probably the greatest limitation of the comics medium is that it cannot sustain extended dialogue the way the stage play and the movie can (the play and the movie being closer to comics than prose or poetry are). Early comic strips really struggled with this, and featured tiny panels crowded with dialogue balloons because you had so little space on a newspaper page. [In the 1980's, Alan Moore showed that you could however sneak in extended monologues by switching to first-person narration and using captions instead of balloons. This has some pitfalls of its own we don't need to get into here.]
. i could correct part of this by moving the camera back and having the action smaller to leave more room for dialog and i do consider that when i am posing the pic. as a general rule, though, i like to be as close to the action as possible to give the viewer the best view, except in some cases where a wider view better depicts the action. also, i have noticed that if i crowd the players too much with word balloons, it sometimes detracts from the way the pic actually depicts the action. i am constantly trying to balance the 2.i don't know if the rules will ultimately be different for this kind of medium than it is for more traditional ones. i would like to find ways to get by with less dialog if possible, but the problem is that i have a certain story that i am trying to tell and the only good way to do that would be to do more pics and spread the words out and i don't really know if that would be better or not. i am open to suggestions if any of you have any. as far as these first 4 pics go, even though they are pretty crowded, i don't see it as a problem since this is all set up and there really isn't any action going on.web-ed wrote:Still, I think your crowded panels are defensible here for two reasons: first, they are largely expository, thus it's o.k. for the forward motion of the story to be slowed down a bit, and second, although this is surely the comics medium it's not exactly a comic book, and therefore perhaps the rules can be stretched a bit. Digital formatting provides both opportunities and limitations that I don't think anyone, even myself, has given enough serious thought to. Maybe the presentation on the computer is different enough to constitute a third branch of comics, along with the strip and the book - or maybe I'm making too much of this and eventually digital comics will come to be seen as no different than the strip or the graphic novel.
there will indeed be fewer words as we get into the spanking although Steve WILL be doing some lecturing as we go alongweb-ed wrote:Anyway, I'm sure the panels will be less crowded as the action begins to pick up and Tina learns the hard way the truths her mother tried to tell her.
. i have a question for everyone. i am currently using a font size of 18 to make sure everyone is able to read the dialog. sometimes i will use a 14 if i want to indicate that someone is speaking softly. do you think it would be a problem for folks to read if i used a 14 all the time? thanks, phil That's a hard question to answer because font sizes in the context of your art are not absolute. Let me explain what I mean.overbarrel49 wrote:i am currently using a font size of 18 to make sure everyone is able to read the dialog. sometimes i will use a 14 if i want to indicate that someone is speaking softly. do you think it would be a problem for folks to read if i used a 14 all the time?
! hi web-ed,web-ed wrote:When you create one of your panels, you're working from a particular size. I'm not sure what it is, but your finished panels are 1280 x 960 pixels. I'm not sure exactly how your text tool works, but if it's like Microsoft Paint, the text is an absolute size that is independent of the size of the picture. Therefore, a given text size will look larger in a small picture than a large one. You have to use trial and error to find what size looks good - at least that's my experience when creating a diagram or rewriting some comic's word balloons.
. the screen resolution is 1920X1080 and the text size is set to smallest.......100%. i used to use photoshop 7, which is an excellent program, but this computer has 64 bit graphics and photoshop 7 is and old program that Adobe no longer supports so it will not operate on this machine. i bought photoshop elements 11 and that's what i am currently using to do the post work on my renders. it won't do as much but will do nearly everything i need. i started doing the pics in 1280 X 960 with my last computer and i think it is still plenty big. yeah, i knew that everyone views it differently...........not only because of where they are viewing it and what program but also factors like screen size, age of the computer and personal settings are involved. that's why i thought it would be good to ask folks and see what they thought about the smaller font. i think i will ask this question to my toon groups when i post today's pic. you are right about the dialog not being text anymore when i post the pics as i post them as jpegs. when i am working on them in PSD format it is still text but once i save them as jpegs, the dialog is just part of the jpeg.web-ed wrote: The next problem is that you can't be sure how readers will be viewing your art. If they view it here on the bulletin board itself, then the text size will depend on the zoom factor they have chosen in their browser for the page. Note that the apparent text size will now be independent of the Font Size Control on this page (did everyone know they could adjust the text size by using this control, which appears just above the "Logout" toward the upper r.h. corner of this page?) and of the font controls in your browser (you can specify minimum font sizes in your browser's "preferences" or "tools," depending on which browser you're using, or let the page determine the font size and style). The reason none of these font controls will work on your art is because the text is now part of the art as far as the browser is concerned - it's not "true" text any more. In fact, it's not text any more as far as any picture-viewing software is concerned either (except for Optical Character Recognition software, which is designed to recognize text).
mine are, of course, saved to a folder in my computer before i post them and i use Microsoft office picture manager to open them. it opens them at 95% which is full screen on this computer. this also has the arrow keys which is why i use it, so i can quickly go from one pic to another.web-ed wrote: I myself prefer to download your art into a folder, then use either a previewer or ACDsee to view it at fullscreen size. This also makes it easier to go from one panel to the next using the arrow keys on the keyboard.
GEEZ!web-ed wrote:What does this mean for you? At full screen size, the current font you're using is probably as small as can be read easily by middle-aged people (or older). I would guess that a smaller font size would mean some readers having to change their zoom factor. I suggest you experiment with one balloon on a copy of the art: write some dialogue in size 14, then save the work and view it full screen (as with previewer). See if it looks too small this way - I don't think you want people to have to zoom in to the point that the full panel is no longer visible on the screen in order to read the speech balloons. And that's your answer
what a struggle!i am planning to do some tests on this. not only am i gonna look at the pics after reducing the font but i have a friend who is gonna check them out too plus i plan on asking the members of my toon group for opinions about it too. it would be nice to be able to use the smaller font size to de-crowd my pics some but i do want folks to be able to see it. thanks for all the info.............i think . phil right after all................ . Tina seems to be wondering about what her mom said to her too . i hope you all enjoy the new pic. phil
hi Sunflower,sunflower309 wrote:hi Phil,
seems like it's better late than never with our young couple! Steve is definitely inexperienced! I don't see an experienced spanker let Tina go on for so long without checking her behavior! we will see how fast a learner she is now. I think you have captured Steve's determination and Tina's surprise! I bet she is going to be even more surprised in a few moments. I hope Steve keeps his determination! Tina is a girl looking for a spanking, whether she realizes it or not. hope she gets a good one! knowing you I bet she does!
. we will indeed see how fast a learner she is. however, as much as Steve is inexperienced as a spanker, that's how much Tina is inexperienced as a spankee so it might take her a while.............she'll catch on though . yeah, not only is she gonna be more surprised at what's gonna happen, but she's also gonna be surprised that her mom was right about the stuff she was telling Tina . Steve is determined right now but i have a hunch that might be hard for him to maintain. you have to remember that he's young, inexperienced as a spanker and just chock full of testosterone, all of which is gonna make it hard for him to keep his concentration . i can remember spanking my high school girl friend. by the time i got her turned over and got her dress up, i was struggling to keep on task . i liked your comment about Tina looking for a spanking whether she realizes it or not..............i'm betting Steve doesn't realize it either but those realizations should come as time goes by . you're welcomesunflower309 wrote:as always, good one Phil! thanks for all your hard work ad effort!
. thanks, phil hi Willjohn,willjohn wrote:Looks like Tina's mouth has been making promises her arse cannot keep.
.i hadn't thought about giving the spanking a namewilljohn wrote:"Operation Red Rump" is beginning. If a chair is involved it will not be for Tina to sit on.
. there will indeed be a chair involved in this and no, Tina will not be the one sitting in it . thanks, phil LOVE YOUR SPANKING DRAWINGS KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK