hi Willjohn,willjohn wrote:Pretty obvious he has done the deed. Does she need more "vigorous foreplay " before the next session?
that's an interesting question.............perhaps we will answer it before the toon is over . thanks, phil
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hi Willjohn,willjohn wrote:Pretty obvious he has done the deed. Does she need more "vigorous foreplay " before the next session?
hi web-ed,web-ed wrote:We seem to be in transition here: both Steve and Tina are trying to understand what the spanking meant. Tina doesn't yet understand that the reason she forgot about the soreness in her bottom was that while aroused her ability to feel pain was greatly lessened, while Steve still has some general questions about the whole thing. I'm certainly curious to find out where this is going, but I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
hi Boom,hugob00m wrote:Wow! I love your latest panel! In a private moment, on the morning after, Tina takes time to examine her still-reddened bottom, and bask in the warm glow of... not only the spanking she got, but the love-making that followed! All the mixed reactions are there, but as she takes time to think, the good side of what her husband has done outweighs the bad. It was humiliating for sure, to be turned over his knee... like a naughty little girl... but maybe... she's beginning to realize, she deserved to be treated like a naughty little girl! And the pain? Well, there seemed to be some pleasure mixed in with the pain... but what happened between them AFTER the spanking was over must've been PURE pleasure, judging by to look on her face! And she loves having her man in charge too! This is great!
hi Boom,hugob00m wrote:Wow! I like the direction you seem to be going with this story! Even though Tina's bottom is still hot and red from the spanking she got the night before, she's feeling guilty about the way she's been treating Steve ever since they got married! Is she just about to do what I think she's about to do? Is she going to hand him her hairbrush and suggest he give her another spanking?
i remember this movie and her handing him the hairbrush ............and yeah, the implication was quite clear especially considering the grin on her face as she hands that hairbrush to him . it sounds like the beginning of a happy relationship to me . i also like the idea of this and to tell the truth, i have a spankee friend who did just this a while back and that's where i got the idea to take this toon in this direction. i'm glad you enjoyed it . thanks, philhugob00m wrote:It reminds me of the end of Forsaking All Others, a film that starred Clark Gable and Loan Crawford. Earlier in the story, Grable's character spanks Crawford's character because he's frustrated over a very bad decision she's made... marrying a man who clearly doesn't truly have her best intrests at heart... (Unfortunately, no actual spanking is shown. He just bends her over and orders his valet to fetch her hairbrush from her dressing table.) And later... when it's almost too late... he's about to board a ship and leave the country... She suddenly realizes what a fool she's been and she needs to win him back somehow! She comes up behind him after he's already gone up the gangplank, taps him on the shoulder... and... lo and behold! She hands him the hairbrush he had used on her earlier! The implication is pretty clear!
I love the idea!
hi web-ed,web-ed wrote:Wow Phil - this scene is incredibly hot! Although I think we all like to see a strong and deserving woman humbled by a spanking "against her will" e.g. Phantom spanking Queen Pera, for a woman to willingly submit to a man by figuratively (or even literally) offering him a hairbrush to spank her with brings the essence of female sexuality (submission) out into the open. One really good thing here is the way you have captured the nervousness and uncertainty women all feel about submitting, even though it is what they most want to do. Men are not generally nervous and certainly not uncertain when about to dominate a woman, just filled with anticipation, which is one of the psychological differences between male and female sexual psychology.
i agree and apparently so do some women. this is where i have been heading with this toon since it's inception. a spankee friend of mine told me about a spanking her husband gave her, which she admits she deserved. a day or 2 later, she took a paddle to him and asked to be paddled again. i liked the scenario and decided to use it for this toon . to give credit where credit is due, i have a few spankee friends who are willing to share stories and feelings with me which really helps me out in doing toons like this. thanks, philweb-ed wrote:We could summarize it this way in the case where the act of domination/submission is to be a spanking: the woman is both thrilled by knowing she's going to be turned over his knee and a little nervous and afraid at the same time, while the man is basically just thinking, "Oh boy!"
And nothing wrong with that, Phil - supposedly D. H. Lawrence asked some of his female friends to write down their thoughts and feelings to aid him in creating believable female characters. In general, we see that male writers have trouble creating female characters, and female writers have trouble creating male characters, although the greatest writers, who are male, are able to overcome this difficulty somehow. Probably not all of them went Lawrence's route in enlisting female help, although all of them had to get help somewhere. For me, it was a careful and critical observation of female behavior, including sexual behavior, beginning when I was about 20, that revealed the secrets of the female personality. But your way sounds easier - wish I'd thought of it back when !to give credit where credit is due, i have a few spankee friends who are willing to share stories and feelings with me which really helps me out in doing toons like this. thanks, phil
i too have made such a study. as a matter of fact, it started in high school and has become a life long fascination that i have enjoyed very much. still, it occurred to me that because i was sometimes able to understand what the behavior of girls was going to be in certain situations, that didn't necessarily mean that i understood why their behavior was the way it was or what they were thinking and feeling. then, as the internet became available and i started reading conversations at the various spanking discussion groups, i discovered that there were times when 2 different girls would have different thought and feelings about very similar situations which just further complicated things for me. anyway, long story short, that's when i started looking for girls who didn't mind sharing some of their feelings with me. i have found a few in recent years. somehow it seems to me that girls don't want younger men to know their thoughts but don't mind sharing them with an old timer like me...........perhaps because they know i have retired from the battle of the sexes . anyway, i feel more comfortable doing my toons since the ladies have started helping me . perhaps the differences in your approach and mine come about because your analytical skills are better than mine in this area..............whatever works philweb-ed wrote: For me, it was a careful and critical observation of female behavior, including sexual behavior, beginning when I was about 20, that revealed the secrets of the female personality.
hi Willjohn,willjohn wrote:She is really getting a taste for it, isn't she?
hi web-ed,web-ed wrote:Willjohn posits that our spankee, Tina, is developing a taste for being spanked. So the question before the House at this time is "Is Tina learning to like being spanked or is she just feeling guilty?" I will suggest the answer is "Both".
again, i agree with your analysis. while there may be other emotions at play here besides just the guilt, Tina's attitude change is now permanent and it is part of the process they are going through to find what works best for them in their marriage .web-ed wrote: It's clear that what Phil is trying to get across is Tina's change of perspective after her recent spanking. In other words, her attitude has been adjusted on a more-than-temporary basis. She now understands how badly she treated her husband, feels guilty about it, and wants to atone for it.
this is very interesting and insightful. i have talked to some women and even have some first hand experience with a couple who could never ask for a spanking. for them, if they have to ask for a spanking, it isn't a real spanking in their minds and the whole thing is ruined. that's why they will brat or misbehave to get a spanking. it has to be their man's idea. your analysis above explains nicely why this is so.web-ed wrote:That doesn't mean Tina isn't into spanking, at least a little - it's clear her spanking did awaken some submissive desires within her. Now there is a relationship in women between guilt and submission to discipline - their guilt makes it easier for them to submit. It make it all right to submit, we might say, for women need assurance about many things, even their own sexual desires. It is for this reason that many spanko women prefer their spankings to have some disciplinary flavor to them, so to speak, even if they aren't the more purely disciplinary spankings that some women do want. Without discipline, a woman is left with only her own desire to receive a spanking, a desire which may be uncomfortable or unwelcome. With discipline, a definite rationale for submitting to a spanking is present, making it psychologically easier for her to do so. A woman who genuinely believes she's done something wrong can more easily accept a spanking than one who doesn't and who isn't sure it's all right for her to want to be spanked.
web-ed wrote:It is extremely difficult for a woman to ask for a spanking because it is a confession of submissive desires. I mentioned above that even a guilt-ridden woman not into spanking might accept one but would probably not ask for it - that's the reason. (We should note the connection between guilt and submission, which is almost certainly why women have such a high capacity for guilt in the first place). We have also seen that even women with a strong desire to be spanked (Natural Spankos, to use my own terminology) find it difficult to express these desires to a man, although she will usually make some sort of attempt eventually. But when you put these two things together - guilt plus a desire to be spanked - they might just be strong enough to get a woman to in effect request a spanking (although even then she'll have a very hard time putting this into words). That is what we see here with Tina.