Family Tradition

[daneldorado]

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I wonder:

Is anyone here connected with any bona fide feminists? How would one of them rate this "Family Tradition" story? I'm sure they would not like it so much, but I am sometimes in touch with feminists who send me hate mail, and I'd like to know what detail of your story ticks them off the most.

For example, I am pretty sure that the feminazis would object to the fact that Vicky is being spanked by -- gulp! -- a MAN. But some of these fems would probably be okay with a simple OTK scene, you know, just Ulysses and his bride using spanking as foreplay that would lead to mutually enjoyable intercourse. No matter what Phil does with it now, though, he is certain to piss off the feminazis by his insistence on subjecting Victoria to a sound spanking in front of witnesses! And not just any witnesses, you know: this is her grown daughter and son-in-law! Would any lezbo approve of THAT?

That "witnesses" humiliation is the factor that stirs my blood the most. Yes, Phil has given us, what is it, TEN frames of pure spanking. And that's fine. But then he adds layers of emotion when he includes the two youngsters in this scenario. Dunno what it says about me, but the witness humiliation in this story makes me tingle the most. If I were a woman and were subjected to a spanking by my husband, I might be able to stand the swats -- hell, maybe even come to believe they are justified... but NO WAY would I agree on having other people witness my ordeal. Especially not THESE two people!

So, I was just wondering: At what point in this scenario would an honest feminist call a halt? At the turning over the knee? At the moment when he raises her skirt? (Notice, Uly does not pull down Vicky's panties.) At Uly's decision to use a sturdy paddle rather than give her a bare-hand spanking? Or would the pinnacle of feminist ire be directed at Phil's use of witnesses to increase Vicky's humiliation?

Most of you will probably not care one way or another. But I think different emotions are triggered by these various moves. For me, the humiliation angle puts this toon at the very peak of overbarrel's considerable talents.

Cheers,
Dan

[overbarrel49]

That "witnesses" humiliation is the factor that stirs my blood the most. Yes, Phil has given us, what is it, TEN frames of pure spanking. And that's fine. But then he adds layers of emotion when he includes the two youngsters in this scenario. Dunno what it says about me, but the witness humiliation in this story makes me tingle the most. If I were a woman and were subjected to a spanking by my husband, I might be able to stand the swats -- hell, maybe even come to believe they are justified... but NO WAY would I agree on having other people witness my ordeal. Especially not THESE two people!

hi Dan,

i don't think that you are at all alone in your feelings about this. the toons i do that include a public aspect seem to be among the favorites with my viewers. while there is certainly a physical aspect to any spanking, it's the emotional part that really kicks it up a notch and what could kick it up more intensely than witnesses? as i have said before, i think that public spankings are pretty rare in reality and that might be why folks like to fantasize about participating in one. all i have done here is to do a toon about such a fantasy but i'm glad you're enjoying it

So, I was just wondering: At what point in this scenario would an honest feminist call a halt? At the turning over the knee? At the moment when he raises her skirt? (Notice, Uly does not pull down Vicky's panties.) At Uly's decision to use a sturdy paddle rather than give her a bare-hand spanking? Or would the pinnacle of feminist ire be directed at Phil's use of witnesses to increase Vicky's humiliation?

i have no answers to your questions. i don't know that there are any feminists who are viewing my toons. if there are, they have been silent.

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I wonder:


Most of you will probably not care one way or another. But I think different emotions are triggered by these various moves. For me, the humiliation angle puts this toon at the very peak of overbarrel's considerable talents.

Cheers,
Dan

again, i think there are a bunch of spanking folks who would agree with you . i'm glad this has touched a nerve with you . thanks, phil

[jimc]

I have been away and have not had an opportunity to comment on this story as much as I would have liked. I love your otk and your outfits esp. for Vicky. In a way I always thought that this spanking should have taken place first and then the daughter's, but I also have to admit that the daughter's spankings were really great so it was just another storyline that I thought of when you 1st started the story. So Vicky's story is over, but now we are expectantly waiting for the toon to continue as you have hinted at. So again great story and artwork. Thanks again and have a great day.
Jim

[web-ed]

In response to Dan's question, I myself am not in contact with any feminists, probably because they've already concluded that I'm beyond hope ! The few angry and hostile messages I've received tend to come from F/M spanking fans who object to my observation that this orientation is less natural than M/F, and I haven't had any like that in a while. (Newcomers to CSR should be advised that I don't suppress F/M material here, I just don't favor it or give it much publicity. But it's available on the site if you want it, usually in a separate section at the bottom of the relevant index page).

As to the humiliation factor, alert CSR readers will recall that I addressed that issue in my seminal article Spanking Embellishments. I observed that both spanker and spankee will tend to desire those embellishments to the scene that to them increase the spankee's humiliation, and having the spanking witnessed is one such embellishment.

The subject has also come up here on Phil's forum somewhere, and we have noted that while the fantasy is a common one, for most women the sheer embarrassment is so great that it will only remain a fantasy for them - they could never let anyone see them get spanked. But for some extroverted women, having the spanking get witnessed by someone else is so exciting they can't resist it - these are the women who get spanked publicly at spanking parties.

But the fantasy is powerful stuff, a fact which Phil exploits here for best advantage!

[web-ed]

I'm really too tired to write well just now, so I'll keep this short, especially since the "witnesses" issue has already been discussed. Vicky is obviously feeling the effects of the paddle, and everyone is enjoying seeing her hop around trying in vain to minimize the sting. I suspect Tina's enjoyment will be short-lived one way or the other, for if her father Ulysses doesn't spank her, I'm sure Steve will in the near future!

[overbarrel49]

I have been away and have not had an opportunity to comment on this story as much as I would have liked. I love your otk and your outfits esp. for Vicky. In a way I always thought that this spanking should have taken place first and then the daughter's, but I also have to admit that the daughter's spankings were really great so it was just another storyline that I thought of when you 1st started the story. So Vicky's story is over, but now we are expectantly waiting for the toon to continue as you have hinted at. So again great story and artwork. Thanks again and have a great day.
Jim

hi Jim,

it good to see you again . i'm glad you're enjoying the story too . as far as continuing the story goes, i will be posting 3 set up pics tomorrow to keep the story moving along during this between spanking segment of the toon. not to worry though. we will be getting back to some more spanking action soon . i hope things will ease up on you soon so that you have more time for some fun stuff..........like CSR . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

But the fantasy is powerful stuff, a fact which Phil exploits here for best advantage!

hi web-ed,

the fantasy is indeed powerful...................and thanks for your comment about my exploitation .

I'm really too tired to write well just now, so I'll keep this short, especially since the "witnesses" issue has already been discussed. Vicky is obviously feeling the effects of the paddle, and everyone is enjoying seeing her hop around trying in vain to minimize the sting. I suspect Tina's enjoyment will be short-lived one way or the other, for if her father Ulysses doesn't spank her, I'm sure Steve will in the near future!

i see you are suspicious of my motives concerning Tina . i think i'm getting entirely too predictable. i will be answering a lot of these kinds of questions the next 2 weeks starting tomorrow . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

talk about embarrassing

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hi everyone,


we seem to be between spankings in this toon now so, in order to move things along towards more spanking action, i am posting 3 pics today. it's really interesting how the situation can change very rapidly and hopefully, you will all find some interesting and fun surprises as you check them out. more surprises next week too. anyway, i hope you enjoy the new pics. phil

[overbarrel49]

adding insult to injury

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[overbarrel49]

turn about is fair play

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[web-ed]

Although these three latest panels are mostly exposition, they still contain a lot of humor, notably Vicky's continuing protests and Tina's mortification as Steve and Ulysses calmly discuss spanking her. You'd think Tina would learn a lesson from this, but mere seconds later she's back to her old ways, laughing at the fact her mother will be getting Uly's second paddle. Like every true brat, she seems to have trouble learning . And she has forgotten that Uly's first paddle will be going home with Steve, where it will be used (as it was years ago) on her, even though she was protesting this fact just a moment earlier! It seems that brats always need reminding...

The art tells this story very well. As is my usual practice, I set the panels up so I can view them in quick succession backwards and forwards. Vicky and Tina are the natural focus of our attention in all three panels: Vicky goes from rubbing her sore bottom to elation back to rubbing her bottom when she learns of the second paddle, while Tina goes from embarrassment at the discussion of her spankings to apprehension when she learns Uly is giving Steve paddle #1 to ill-conceived joy when she learns of paddle #2 (momentarily forgetting about paddle #1 and whose bottom it's going to be applied to). Looking at these panels in succession almost tells the story without words, so to repeat - good storytelling.

[overbarrel49]

Although these three latest panels are mostly exposition, they still contain a lot of humor, notably Vicky's continuing protests and Tina's mortification as Steve and Ulysses calmly discuss spanking her. You'd think Tina would learn a lesson from this, but mere seconds later she's back to her old ways, laughing at the fact her mother will be getting Uly's second paddle. Like every true brat, she seems to have trouble learning . And she has forgotten that Uly's first paddle will be going home with Steve, where it will be used (as it was years ago) on her, even though she was protesting this fact just a moment earlier! It seems that brats always need reminding...

hi web-ed,

yeah, there's no spanking going on here but i do think all this will be important as we continue through the story. besides, talking about spanking, or in our case, listening to talk about spanking is always pleasing too . as far as Tina learning a lesson, i think your comment, " It seems that brats always need reminding", pretty much sums it up . of course, it might be less a matter of learning and more a matter of stubbornness, which is a topic we will explore next week .

The art tells this story very well. As is my usual practice, I set the panels up so I can view them in quick succession backwards and forwards. Vicky and Tina are the natural focus of our attention in all three panels: Vicky goes from rubbing her sore bottom to elation back to rubbing her bottom when she learns of the second paddle, while Tina goes from embarrassment at the discussion of her spankings to apprehension when she learns Uly is giving Steve paddle #1 to ill-conceived joy when she learns of paddle #2 (momentarily forgetting about paddle #1 and whose bottom it's going to be applied to). Looking at these panels in succession almost tells the story without words, so to repeat - good storytelling.

i think it's interesting that you set the pics up so you can go back and forth, as you have mentioned before. i have each toon set up in a folder and i regularly look back at older pics as i am working on a new one. also, i like, at various times, to go back to the beginning and read the story through to study the overall effect of the toon as well as individual pics. i think it all helps in keeping the story on track. apparently you think so too which brought a grin to my face . thanks, phil

[sunflower309]

Hi Phil and everyone else. i'm a little late here but i am going to comment on a witness to spankings. it is indeed a very powerful fantasy. i can't count the number of times i've had one. in fact, i have a very good friend online that i share alot of details with, and when he knows i'm going to get a spanking he wants me to imagine him in the closet, watching. i have and that just intensifies the experience. would i really want him in the closet???? NO! but it is fun to imagine.

and i guess i am a feminist's nightmare. i would object to nothing about the spankings in this story. (uness of course, in real life if i was the current spankee!) great job Phil, and i appreciate your devious, somewhat twisted mind!!! and i also think that a group of people discussing my spankings would be embarassing, but would make my spanking more powerful!

sunflower

[overbarrel49]

Hi Phil and everyone else. i'm a little late here but i am going to comment on a witness to spankings. it is indeed a very powerful fantasy. i can't count the number of times i've had one. in fact, i have a very good friend online that i share alot of details with, and when he knows i'm going to get a spanking he wants me to imagine him in the closet, watching. i have and that just intensifies the experience. would i really want him in the closet???? NO! but it is fun to imagine.

hi Sunflower,

thanks for your interesting comments. they go right along with what i have been theorizing about public spankings being a high intensity fantasy even if no one really wants to do it . as i talk to more and more spankees about it, i am accumulation more and more evidence to support it so thanks for your comments on this .

and i guess i am a feminist's nightmare. i would object to nothing about the spankings in this story. (uness of course, in real life if i was the current spankee!) great job Phil, and i appreciate your devious, somewhat twisted mind!!! and i also think that a group of people discussing my spankings would be embarassing, but would make my spanking more powerful!

i'm glad you approve of the current story . i also liked your comment about my devious, twisted mind . i have a spankee friend who likes to say that i am delightfully warped . btw, i know one spankee who remembers getting spanked by her dad with her mom and grandparents watching..............not as a child. she was at least in high school then. she says such discussions of spankings do indeed take place.....right in front of her after the spanking.......just as if she wasn't there . thanks for giving us your spankee point of view . we could really use more of that around here. phil

[hugob00m]

I really like the latest installment of your story. Hmmmm! Now it looks like Tina might be in for a spanking whether she does anything naughty or not! Steve is going to be itchin' to try out his new toy! And Vicky, for all her penitent talk earlier, doesn't seem to have changed her attitude much after all!

For a while it was looking like the end was near... but not now. (Except that the ladies' rear ends are going to be near to a couple of paddles! )

[overbarrel49]

I really like the latest installment of your story. Hmmmm! Now it looks like Tina might be in for a spanking whether she does anything naughty or not! Steve is going to be itchin' to try out his new toy! And Vicky, for all her penitent talk earlier, doesn't seem to have changed her attitude much after all!

hi Boom,

you would think that Tina's bottom might be in a certain amount of danger now that Steve has his very own paddle . on the other hand, as Ulysses mentioned, Tina is just like her mother, so it also seems likely that she will present Steve with a perfect opportunity to try it out before he even has time to find a reason to scratch that itch to use the new paddle . as far as Vicky's attitude goes, i don't think anything has happened that is much of a surprise to Ulysses. he seems to know exactly what his naughty bride needs.............a topic we will be visiting very soon .

For a while it was looking like the end was near... but not now. (Except that the ladies' rear ends are going to be near to a couple of paddles!

yeah, the only ends that are near at this point in the toon belong to Vicky and Tina ............and they're just near to getting a spanking . i'm glad you enjoyed this latest episode . thanks, phil

[overbarrel49]

new developments

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hi everyone,


Weeeeeeell now!........THIS is an interesting development ..........especially since so many of you have been commenting, speculating and/or fantasizing about just how this might all go down . i am posting 2 pics this week and i hope this clears up any remaining questions you may have.phil

[overbarrel49]

i dood it anyway...........LOL

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[hugob00m]

Ah ha! Now we know what naughtiness is going to be the cause of Tina getting paddled! And she's willing to "pay the price" to peek in the window and watch her Dad paddle her Mom's bare bottom! So now Steve will be happy ending... Tina will, sort of have a happy ending. She's right about the memory of her Mom's punishment lasting longer than the sting of her own... but I can't help but think she might have misgivings about her decision when Steve starts swinging his newly-acquired toy! It's a happy ending for Ulysses, getting to spank his lovely wife's jiggly bottom twice in one night, and... Yeah! It sure looks like it'll be a happy ending for all your fans, with two more spankings scheduled for this evening's entertainment!

But what about Vicky? Well, I'm guessing that, eventually, after all the paddling is finally over, maybe she and Ulysses will enjoy a bit of lovemaking... So I suppose it's possible that even the bratty Mom will have something to be happy about.

[overbarrel49]

Ah ha! Now we know what naughtiness is going to be the cause of Tina getting paddled! And she's willing to "pay the price" to peek in the window and watch her Dad paddle her Mom's bare bottom

hi Boom,

we do indeed know what naughtiness Tina is up to and i think we have to have a certain admiration for her determination to "scratch this itch" she's had for so long, even knowing what the consequences will be .

So now Steve will be happy ending... Tina will, sort of have a happy ending. She's right about the memory of her Mom's punishment lasting longer than the sting of her own... but I can't help but think she might have misgivings about her decision when Steve starts swinging his newly-acquired toy! It's a happy ending for Ulysses, getting to spank his lovely wife's jiggly bottom twice in one night, and... Yeah! It sure looks like it'll be a happy ending for all your fans, with two more spankings scheduled for this evening's entertainment!

i see you know me well. i DO love happy endings . we'll just have to wait and see just what form these take and i'll try not to disappoint my viewers . as far as any misgivings go, they might actually start even before Steve starts paddling her bottom............like as soon as her Mom's paddling is over and she remembers the consequences of her actions .

But what about Vicky? Well, I'm guessing that, eventually, after all the paddling is finally over, maybe she and Ulysses will enjoy a bit of lovemaking... So I suppose it's possible that even the bratty Mom will have something to be happy about.

you just never can tell will cause someone happiness......we'll just have to wait and see . thanks, phil